2021/22 MCAD–Jerome Fellow Interview: Brooks Turner

You see art as a tool for engaging the structure of history, for exposing and deconstructing prevailing ideologies enshrined by textbooks, libraries, archives, and museums. How do these ideas manifest themselves through your recent projects?

The structure of an archive is ontologically linked to imperialism and surreptitiously enforces a hierarchy of knowledge. Despite this disreputability, an archive can be useful, but it must be interrogated as complicit in state violence. My current work traces two narratives that occupy interstices in the historical record. Both stories are shaped by archival documents as well as oral accounts spanning time and place.

The first: in the summer of 1938, Minneapolis union organizers traveled to Mexico to work with Leon Trotsky. One topic of their months-long conference was the activities of the Silver Legion of America, a pro-nazi organization active in Minnesota. Trotsky advised organizing a Union Defense Guard, and upon returning to Minnesota, these organizers formed such a guard, electing Ray Rainbolt, a Dakota man, to lead it. Only a few months later, the guard was deployed to confront a Silver Legion assembly, successfully driving the fascists from Minneapolis permanently. But, my interest lingers on that summer in Mexico. At the time, Trotsky was living with Diego Rivera and Frida Kahlo. I’ve located photographs that show these artists with the Minnesota union organizers but no specific reference to their interaction. I can’t help but to imagine how these artists might have had an impact on the union organizers, how their aesthetics might have shaped resistance to fascism in Minnesota.

The second narrative was first relayed to me over email: the writer described a self sufficient American Nazi camp that operated throughout the 30s in Hackensack, MN, complete with bunkers, printing press, and cement pads for helicopters or even mounted guns should the war come to the US. In tracing this history, I found little direct evidence to substantiate this account, but numerous coincidences that mirrored the activities of the Silver Legion across America and a direct connection between the camp and Nazi Germany.

Legends and Myths of Ancient Minnesota; 2020; Digital offset print on broadsheet, single page; 12" x 29"; Photo by Brooks Turner

What sparked your interest in exploring fascism in the U.S.? I'm curious how your research has affected you personally?

Fascism is a 20th century adaptation of the ideologies that informed centuries of European imperialism and settler colonialism, and so my interest in fascism extends from a longtime examination of these violent systems more generally. Frantz Fanon and Èduoard Glissant had a profound impact on me in college, shaping my academic career and broader interest in phenomenology, which then led to Martin Heidegger. It was through Heidegger that I began an aesthetic analysis of fascism, but it was curator Boris Oicherman who encouraged me to extend this investigation into Minnesota history.

I grew up in Minneapolis but had been oblivious to the scope of fascist histories here. I was startled by my first visit to the archives of the Minnesota Historical Society, a response that reflects my racial and economic privilege; even though I spent years studying European colonialism, slavery, and imperialism, analyzing the complicity of the US through the writing of Fanon, Glissant, and other postcolonialists, I had still managed to see Minnesota as separate. It felt critical that I probe these histories in order to understand my own complicity in the violent whiteness of my home state as well as to better prepare myself to recognize it in the present.

We are all affected personally by fascism in this contemporary moment. Trumpism is Fascism; the US right continues to transform our socio-political landscape away from the ideals of democracy. But even more critically, moderate both-sides-ism is a process by which fascists gain power: the first Nazi coup attempt failed, and the lenient sentences those insurrectionists received only facilitated their future success—not unlike the leniency currently offered those complicit in the January 6th insurrection. This shapes the urgency I feel in pursuing these avenues of research, and has shifted my focus from exposing histories of fascism towards offering strategies of resistance.

Legends and Myths of Ancient Minnesota; 2020; Digital offset print on broadsheet, two page spread; 24" by 29"; Photo by Brooks Turner

In what ways does your work present the complex relationship between truth, reality, fabrication, and feeling?

When Legends and Myths of Ancient Minnesota went out with the Sunday Star Tribune back in October of 2020, I received a wide array of responses. A woman left a message at the Weisman demanding to know why taxpayer money was used to pay for this “trash.” I was told by a historian that they didn’t consider an oral history I referenced to be “real” history, despite it being published by MPR; another historian claimed my work was unethical because I had identified a connection between the lead archivist at the Minnesota Historical Society and the fascist Silver Legion of America (a connection which is documented in the archives of the Jewish Community Relations Council). My aunt sent me screenshots of people on Nextdoor discussing the artwork: one thought it was actual propaganda for an existing Silvershirt Society, another thought it was too political, but most commented that history was repeating itself. Overall, responses from academics, artists, and the general public were positive, but I think these negative responses reveal something deeply true about history. What is at stake in practicing history is not knowledge of the past, but rather the very nature of knowledge itself. In other words, history is an epistemological practice shaped by ideologies about knowledge. History is fabrication: it responds to feelings and biases we hold, and therefore shapes how we experience the present.

Art, or aesthetics more generally, is a process of making judgements. And I think we often mistakenly think about this process as either being subjective or objective when in reality it's neither—it's relational. Similarly, truth is neither subjective nor objective, but relational. In order to know history we also have to know the multifaceted worldviews relational to a given record, institution, narrative, etc… And so, in my practice, I strive to exist within this relationality in which is entangled truth, reality, fabrication, and feeling.

Untitled; 2021; Dye sublimation print on satin; 32" by 61"; Photo by Brooks Turner

Materializing ideas into form is a complicated process. Can you describe how you go about deciding what materials and techniques to use?

It really depends on the project, but it usually comes to me as I work through a more general idea. Most of my work starts digitally: collages of scans of historical documents, digital drawings of potential histories, photographs of a person or location, etc… I’m interested in the way that digital images embody the democratic potential of reproducibility as outlined by Walter Benjamin in “Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction.” There’s a kind of poetic in the pixelation of an image as it is scaled down then scaled up, a record of its circulation. Recently, I’ve become really interested in tapestries woven by electronic jacquard looms. The machine translates my pixelated images into a sequence of threads, which at a distance becomes a resolved image. And like a digital image, up close the lines of thread collapse into gridded abstraction. Tapestries often depicted scenes from mythology or history, functioning to justify the hierarchies of royalty, the church, and the aristocracy. I’m interested in subverting this history by depicting union organization, while still embracing their social potential as, in the words of Le Corbusier, “nomadic murals.

Untitled; 2021; Dye sublimation print on satin; 32" by 61"; Photo by Brooks Turner

How much historical knowledge does your audience need to have to be able to appreciate your work?

None, but I’m really interested in the hypothetical viewer who feels that they needed some historical knowledge in order to appreciate my work. I think having that feeling means this hypothetical viewer actually encountered the epistemological dimension of history, which is rife with holes, with absences, contradiction, paradox, and myth. I want my work to generate from these holes.

What is your most favorite project that you have made? What about that makes it stand out to you

I don’t know if I have a favorite, but I think Legends and Myths of Ancient Minnesota was the strongest synthesis of my making and thinking to date.

Untitled (Union Defense Guard); 2022; Digital pattern for woven tapestry; text from Teamster Politics by Farrell Dobbs; 82" by 106"; Photo by Brooks Turner

A Sublime Deorganization; 2022; Digital pattern for woven tapestry; 82: by 164"; Photo by Brooks Turner